As usual the national media is twisting an inconclusive report expected to lay blame. The report never did that because we still are not committed to buy any F35s. Our Defense Minister, Peter Mackay has been saying that since 2006. The fact we have been sticking with the program is because of our own R&D and industrial (production) committed to the program. The point is no different than any of us. If we are into something we believe in we support it, right?
The NDP & Liberal MPs on the CBC stage today (April 3) proved they were vulgar liars, with no desire or intent of ever giving straight honest answers. We know that by the rhetoric about our allies pulling out of the program for the F35 in 2010 because of deficiencies, the truth is they put their orders on hold because of the financial problems in Europe, the US delayed its order for, yes, the financial reasons (they are in worse shape than Europe). That was October of 2008, the US followed suite in Spring of 2010, can you see how easy it is to twist the truth especially when you have the control over national exposure. The re-costing only came after our European allies placed their orders on hold. That is why Marc Garneau needs to hang his head in shame, with his repulsive remarks on Tuesday, having been involved with the Military and Canadian Space Agency, Carol MacNeil an anchor with CBC was right, “he knows better”.
As long as we were still working to hammer out the issues I don’t disagree with remaining loyal to the program. With the apparent systemic problems the Defense Department began backing away from F35 simply because they had to allow room to order the F18 Super Hornets, if need be. So last fall would have been the right time to reassess the costs of the F35 which, with our allies would still have been at a competitive price of the proven Super Hornet and they did that. When will all our national media outlets start serving Canadians, not the better interest of the US? They have had all this info long before me and they simply removed it from national attention. Even today Wednesday, April 4 PM Harper stated the same thing that was stated back in 2006, 2008 and 2010. NO ORDER HAS BEEN PLACED, and Peter Mansbridge the chief news anchor of the CBC’s National tried to speak over Mr. Harper’s response in the House.
Despicable Me 2012/04/03 at 6:20 PM ET
What about cost associated with cancelling the procurement?
* This was posted in direct reply to the post I made to CBC’s POV poll with the story “Should Canada Drop It’s Plan To Buy The F35 and Start Over”.
~*CBC Moderators chose to NOT post this one*~
WHAT PROCUREMENT!!!! The order has not been placed ;
The Government has always maintained the same position, in support of a project we are extremely active on, both in R&D and industrial (production). Because of the role we have, overseen by the Lib. Government in what ’98 we are only committed to the purchase upon completion of the Jet. This is a matter of public record. The fact the order is still supported BUT NOT PLACED is also public record.
Translation: No placed order, NO procurement, NO COST
What cost are you referring too. I’m Glad you find the CBC researchers are right up on the job. They reach to the self beside them for the binder marked, “Acceptable story background for F35 … approved by CNN_ABC_NBC_CBS_US State Department and embarrassingly the selfish power moguls of the Lib & NDP parties.
The costs associated with the purchase will only change when the order is placed and cost assessment is done. At present the ESTIMATED COST PROJECTION only includes current sales vs. costs. Since Oct. 2008 all our NATO allies have placed their orders on hold because of the Banking Crash and extended financial turmoil around the world. This is what also contributed to the *apparent cost overruns. A simple fact our Auditor General curiously omitted in his report. The AG’s report was therefore, based on the perceived wrong doing of the CPC, based on the same opposition that has always only been interested in a coup attempt because that is the only way they will see power… both, by standing, are trusted far less than the CPC. Hence the AG could not point fingers because their is only the opposition & media created perception of wrong-doing.
Nice research, EH!!!
I get attacked quite often as a Harper supporter, reading this I can understand that but I’m not. Mr. Harper is simply just the continuation of Canadian Governments that have lacked the vision and ethical responsibility and real leadership for this globally unique country. A problem we have had for well over 30 years now. Sadly, barring a real leader coming out of the Liberal Leadership Conference nothing will change by 2015. The NDP under Mulcair will find themselves in the situation Canada had intended for them this election if not for Quebec saving their butts. They will drop below 5 seats in the House stripping them of official party status, forcing them to fold or clean house to develop a real, official party policy platform, on which they can be seen to be representing Canadians, not desperately grasping for power no matter what, a Mr. Layton specialty.
Back to the CBC one last time, oddly enough they posted another reply I made around 12:04. It prompted a message directed to the moderators. To think that the working poor, in this country because we are not unionized we have no real voice, we are only subject to the blessing of the union brutal mentality where they think (oops sorry, they know) they have to establish our path for us… Nice thought for a Canadian minority, yet they have a global reach whose only desire is to spread hate, hell and discontent about my country. Canada, the single most unique country in the world.
** I will post the message I left for the moderators … If they post it.
** They never did post it, plus they pulled one I posted on April 5th. So much for our protection under freedom of the Speech and freedom of the Press. I guess almost 1 Billion Dollars of Canadians Tax money only guarantees your freedoms as long as you support the CBC. That would be quite hypocritical wouldn’t it. Yet they want us to believe our Government is repressing freedoms.
It is not just that but the CBC and the opposition are doing so much damage to our society by creating chaos and confusion. With the F 35, their word for this farce is, fiasco. 2 senior bureaucrats also placed their offices integrity into question, The primary one is the Auditor General, whose Spring Report made a damning commentary of the Government’s policy choice of the procurement of the F 35 costing Canadians 9 Billion Dollars more than they reported to Parliament, this following the erroneous report of the Parliamentary Budget Secretary, the 2nd bureaucrat that tainted the integrity of his office, by not disclosing the basis on which his conclusions were based. The difference between the Government’s disclosure to Parliament and the Secretary of the Parliamentary Budget Office, that 9 Billion Dollars is either the operation costs of fuel and standard maintenance,which we see also in the blog, Crux of the Matter that would have been an on-going cost which is consistant and required regardless what fighter/interceptors we use. This makes it a standard upkeep cost not a procurement adjustment. This would be a fraudulent claim not an error which would also implicate The Office of the Auditor General, by supporting a fraudulent claim against a sitting Government. In the link to the office of the AG. Under the heading “The 1977 Auditor General Act” the last sentence explains how our AG discredited his office. While in the paragraph just before that Act definition we get the explaination why the Act was created in the first place. It was done so that Parliament would receive the full examination of the entire policy cost. NOT, just an opinion why it was a good or in this case bad policy. That exceedes his mandate and creates the same controversy the Act was intended to prevent. Then the media picked up that chaos in Parliament and published it with the extreme bias they continually display.
The other possibility is what I mentioned earlier under, “~*the CBC Modertors chose to NOT post this one*~”. In more depth the Budget office could have recalculated the cost without the contracts held by our allies. Why would they do this? Well we had the Global Banking collapse in 2008. Our allies placed their orders on hold. I am assuming there is a formula for recalculating per unit cost with the allies orders on hold because a Vice Pres. for Lockheed Martin explained to Australia’s Parliament that is how the cost over runs have been projected. and could easily appear as 25B per unit or more with a single nation buying. In all 3 links to the Canberra Times it shows that most of the countries are in the same postion we are and everyone wants answers. Even though we have not heard about Mr. Mackay spearheading a number of inquires into the delays Atleast we can be thankful the Australians still believe in integrity in journalism. RAAF Strike Fighters on schedule, Jittery US Partners, Defence backs new jet fighter . The question is, what is going on here? Either way both bureaucratic offices chose to misrepresent their findings either through non-disclosure or by fraud. Which now becomes arbitrary, what we need is our reporters and editting staff that have not lost the principles of journalistc integrity rework their reporting criteria, like we have seen in Australia. Hertitage Canada needs to establish an oversight committee to oversee the CBC to protect our tax money. We need a Parliamentary investigation conducted on the 2 bureaucrats that violated the public trust and tainted those 2 independent offices, with a joint police investigation for fraud. With the Parliamentary commitee all 3 parties have to be represented. With a House majority those appointed can not simply opt out like Mr. Layton did on a number of these committees during the minority Governments. And final a team of independant journalists that have a history writing stories with a sound base of integrity, both print and multimedia experienced. They will handle the daily press briefs and block our mass media from airing tainted stories.